[9:31] Morgaine Dinova: Well that's how LL want it, xstorm. This is just a platform for business meetings. The "virtual" disappeared as a goal long ago, so thinking out of the box is quite non-PC.
[9:33] Pixel Gausman: wonders if she should trust sitting next to the cat
[9:33] Zha Ewry: I think you're safe as long as you avoid the catnip and milk saucer aves
[9:33] Morgaine Dinova: Only freezes longer than 0.5s are displayed, otherwise it would get noisy.
[9:33] Pixel Gausman: especially when the cat is holding a knife
[9:33] xstorm Radek: so may be LL no longer wish for people in sl to own land and build there dreams but make it all white and put it back to IRC black and white chat rooms
[9:40] Zha Ewry: From what I can tell, this months buganoo is squid stalling
[9:40] Morgaine Dinova: I'm surprised LL can't diagnose that trvially from server end
[9:41] Zha Ewry: Almost all the stalling I've seen, this month, has been texture load stall, with scripts runnign great, and long agent times, and long pauses of very slow bandwidth from the sim
[9:42] Morgaine Dinova: Definitely something funny happening with textures in last few weeks. If I were a graphics person, I'd probably be annoyed
[9:42] Zha Ewry: Anyone who has been folllowing the snowglobe mailing list should be aware that Pixel's submitted a patch to include the current OGP support in the snowglobe tree
[9:42] Pixel Gausman: it looks like it's ready to be committed. needed a few tweakies last week
[9:42] Zha Ewry: So I'm going to let Pixel discuss al ittle bit what's in there
[9:48] Zha Ewry: We trap the inventory calls at the region, and reflect them back to the AD host
[9:49] Pixel Gausman: i deemed moving the inventory manipulation caps completely in the viewer off UDP, so for now, we have a reflector in the region
[9:49] Zha Ewry: So inventory is managed there, not on the regions (except the client is so deeply into the Regoin holds inventory model) we did it via the current code first
[9:49] Dahlia Trimble: moving things to caps is fun! *cough...gag...
[9:49] Zha Ewry: We plan on torturing Pixel with some of that soon
[9:50] Zha Ewry: But we'll do it in public, with the AD code out rather than in private
[9:50] Zha Ewry: And. this should stay pretty much in sync with snowglobe patches if we do it all correctly
[9:51] xstorm Radek: public hhmmm think of all them new eyes watching what steps are taken
[9:51] Zha Ewry: The last releaesed OGP9 client, is what, 10 months backlevel now?
[9:51] Morgaine Dinova: When you say you "trap inventory calls at the region", you mean you have a modified Opensim region, right? So this can't work in SL currently, not ven in Aditi.
[9:55] Zha Ewry: Client builders can build from the patch attached to 215, tho, right?
[9:55] Infinity Linden: but seriously... it looks like a good patch
[9:55] Morgaine Dinova: That last freeze happened when Infinity TP'd in. The freezes correlate very well with TP entrances --- another right now as Latif entered.
[9:56] Pixel Gausman: it doesnt have the one line change for the shortcut
[9:56] xstorm Radek: Infinity i still can not get in to Aditi do to the server keeps telling me i have the wrong password and user name so it that like a error for people thats had there accounts patch at one time ?
[9:56] Pixel Gausman: i assume Merov will do that when he integrates
[9:56] Dahlia Trimble: I've heard there is a freeze when scripts on an avie are deserialized and instantiated
[10:03] Morgaine Dinova: Switching off freeze monitor to not distract from OGP
[10:03] Infinity Linden: if someone can tell me which packages i have to install on ubuntu to get opensim 0.6.6 to compile and run, i'd be happy to help test it
[10:09] Morgaine Dinova: So, can we take two Opensim instances and two of these ADs from forge, once per sim, and start checking things out?
[10:10] Zha Ewry: I don't see why not. We dont' have any AD-AD flow attm, tho, just the "Region trusts the AD" level stuff
[10:10] Pixel Gausman: Morgaine: you can have one AD with multiple opensim instances as well
[10:10] Morgaine Dinova: Pixel: sure, but that's growing one world, rather than interop'ing two of them. They're both good use cases.
[10:11] Infinity Linden: well... AD <-> AD will be important for group messaging / voice
[10:11] Infinity Linden: i think our last thoughts were that we didn't want the protocol to depend on a global registry
[10:12] Zha Ewry: AD-AD is clearly somethign we'll need to get our heada around
[10:12] Infinity Linden: so we would want to be able to create a group on one AD that references an agent on a different AD
[10:12] Infinity Linden: yeah. we've not been thinking about it too much.
[10:12] Morgaine Dinova: Every grid in existence is going to have their own AD or world service a la Cable Beach. Obviously we'll have to support that, but not sure what the model is for it yet, if any.
[10:12] Infinity Linden: but the cool thing is we now have some code that peeps can use as a testbed for AD <-> AD stuff
[10:13] Infinity Linden: 'cause i've said it before, and i'll say it again, it's A LOT easier to modify OpenSim than it is the linden AD code base
[10:13] Zha Ewry: The trick, is going to be to try and not blow up on the various NxM potential meltdowns
[10:13] Pixel Gausman: yeah, not having an open source implementation of AD has been a real PITA
[10:13] Zha Ewry: You know Infinity, given the pain needed to keep the patches in synch with the OpenSim codebase this summer, that is a scary statement, but probably still true
[10:14] Zha Ewry: Its been real chicken and egg. I'm looking forward to having both a client and an AD out there for people to play with
[10:15] Morgaine Dinova: Should be easier now with git. Opensim still operates as a cathedral with its core devs, but with git distributing deltas it opens up a lot more.
[10:15] Infinity Linden: well.. keep in mind that our system is designed for large deploys
[10:15] Zha Ewry: Infinity, have we seen a notice from the IESG yet?
[10:15] Infinity Linden: so you have to go through a lot of hoops to deploy, even on vaak
[10:15] Infinity Linden: i was just looking that up. nothing on ietf-announce yet
[10:16] Zha Ewry: So.. I'll gently say, that we expect, very shortly, for the VWRAP charter to get sent tot he IETF on the whole for the 2 week sanity check
[10:16] Infinity Linden: it's supposd to go out sometime today
[10:17] Saijanai Kuhn: firewall issue was about the fact that vaak wouldn't accept avatars with a non-secondlife URL at one point, I thought
[10:18] Morgaine Dinova: Discussions are already in the post-charter agreement phase anyway. There wasn't any point in making the charter a stumbling block, beyond making sure it didn't lock important things out.
[10:18] Infinity Linden: having a working group will be nice. then we can bicker about the contents of specs, instead of the contents of draft charters (as $DIET{Y|IES} intended)
[10:18] Saijanai Kuhn: or rather that the secondlife.com was the only url sims could use to talk to each other
[10:19] Infinity Linden: why would that be an issue? there's nothing in any of the current work that even mentions that
[10:19] Saijanai Kuhn: something like that (recallig half understood offhand comment from more than a year ago)
[10:19] Zha Ewry: One of the first things that I know I want to work on is rolling the deployment models information into the intrdocution
[10:19] Infinity Linden: just because something's not in a spec, doesn't mean it's required
[10:20] Infinity Linden: right. i'm just about finished incorporating the last month's feedback into the existing intro
[10:20] Zha Ewry: That ought to explain the range of ways we anticipate people building stuff, and flatten any confusion about "world" "worlds" or "sanboexes"
[10:20] Morgaine Dinova: Zha: great merit in that. People want to know "what can it do?" :-))
[10:20] Latif Khalifa: oh pixes, this is not a patch, its a whole opensim code?
[10:20] Infinity Linden: i can take a hack at rolling your stuff into the doc if you want
[10:20] Zha Ewry: When you have a stable version, Infinity, pass me the token and I'll edit it in?
[10:23] Infinity Linden: that must be the bit of code i put in a while ago. when the server see's the terms "OGP" and "merge" in the same region where pix is logged in, it sends her the "crash now" packet
[10:23] Zha Ewry: git tho, should be able to let you do branch meres
warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout.
[10:27] Morgaine Dinova: It's not really that github is attrociously slow, but this is a ridiculously large download. I assume it's all of Opensim, not just an AD source.
[10:28] Latif Khalifa: git downloads everything then comes up with the error lol
[10:31] Aimee Trescothick: there's been a few commits to trunk recently ... but mostly they've just been bumping the version no. as far as I could see
[10:32] Pixel Gausman: oh, so they want to see snowglobe devs ask for it?
[10:32] Morgaine Dinova: They're all different, but all the same. Still a billion times better than no SCM, whichever you use.
[10:32] Infinity Linden: but the good news is one of the mercurial commiters works for us, but the bad news is he's really, really busy with other stuff